Greg Owens
Wow, that is great, because so you, so a lot of times you’re going in and sort of redefining the problem. And, and then taking, like you said, taking that two steps back and then what is like the technology that can help what is the engineers love to see that kind of statistics and numbers and real so then they can make a clear decision moving forward. Right?
Lorri Rowlandson
You got it. And, and then the other way I love data is data is empirical. It’s not subjective data is data. And so if you’re dealing with a difficult topic that maybe has some emotional controversy of any type, you can’t argue with data. And so somebody says, No, I need all this space or I need, you know, well, here’s the data. It shows you people are worried about, you know, whatever coming into the workplace. Well, here’s the data, we did the test, here’s the results. And you can’t argue that so it gets past perception and opinion with fact. And then that allows you to have breakthrough discussions. It prevents you from spinning around too much and opinions. And data is data evidence of evidence and it allows you to move forward and also holds you accountable. So sometimes people aren’t comfortable with that, but we we advocate that because at the end of the day, you don’t want that anecdotal information, watercooler information flying around and or opinion so if the data is the data, and it really helps accelerate decisions, business case, accountability, if you use it properly.